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 Die weisse Massai |
shako 
Dabei seit: 15.10.2009
Beiträge: 54
Herkunft: mombasa, kenya
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jambo friends
For many days i have seen and heard people telling of this movie: The White Masai.
Yesterday I watched it, there are so many lessons, and ideas, sad moments,
I think people need to get to know each other well, what are their future goals in life.Carola wanted to be a businesswoman, but BlueStar, the husband wanted to have fun and spend that he has not worked for, he wanted to please friends and relatives by using the shop stocks and daily shop collections.
I think the woman should have taken charge and control of her finances, the husband has to earn it by either business of work, then he will value the money and spend it wisely, if it is for long term marriage. Carol should have learned from Elizabeth about life in Maralal.It is only sad that many romance / love story movies or novels and books have sad ending .......
I still am sure there are good success stories of many white maasai or 'white african' who finds african partner.
So the movie can be about men too with african wife, love, relationship does not have standard formula, people have different experiences, some fail some succeed, others enjoy it while some get hurt ............ ....
what do you think Carol and Lemalian should have done to make their love last forever? (Please one good friend translate this so that every one can understand and contribute and share their views.)
Dieser Beitrag wurde 1 mal editiert, zum letzten Mal von shako: 15.02.2010 06:34.
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15.02.2010 06:32 |
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Ngini
Dabei seit: 15.01.2008
Beiträge: 609
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Jambo Shako,
Lemalian is an alphabet and Carola is a business woman. Both people have different culture and intellect. They never learnt to share in one language. Carola never learnt Maa and her English was pour. Lemalian spoke neither good English nor German. How can they discuss about Problems?
I am married with an Amboseli Maasai since 1999, but my husband is educated and speaks German fluently. Our story is a love story!
Bye Ngini
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15.02.2010 07:48 |
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Tails
Dabei seit: 25.10.2009
Beiträge: 44
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what do you think Carol and Lemalian should have done to make their love last forever? (Please one good friend translate this so that every one can understand and contribute and share their views.) |
She fell in love with a warrior, then sie tried to chance him into a businessman.
And, as Ngini already said, no discussions, no talking about the problems, how should this work?
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15.02.2010 08:17 |
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shako
Dabei seit: 15.10.2009
Beiträge: 54
Herkunft: mombasa, kenya
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@Ngini..
.that is a very good story!! I love it and i wish you and your family more better days than before...this tells us if the two people get married learn each other well,and use a language they both understand then the marriage will be good. Carola was too fast to get married.
@Chi Kingi..
I think Carola wanted the fun, and adventure the feel of being a muzungu maasai but not for marriage and living as a Maasai woman, she was bright girl with good business ideas that could benefit the area but she did not know her husband well.The culture was totally new to her.
@Tails....you are right , their love would have been better if both understand how to communicate with each other.Learn same language. a businses woman and a worrior are two different people! The man was too difficult and immature, (was young in his thinking) otherwise he could give Carola a chance to teach him.It takes time longer then when you are all from same country.
Ngini is the best example! a good example for those people who want to be ''white maasai''....one can be a white maasai or a 'african woman' if you start well, learn each other and....make a good choice like the good husband of Ngini. I hope this helps many of us
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15.02.2010 11:04 |
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LaBess
Dabei seit: 08.07.2008
Beiträge: 2.165
Herkunft: irdisch
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I found nothing interesting in this movie.
Carola is a very naive woman who followed a Massai warrior into the Kenian bush, not knowing anything about his culture and traditions.
She was absolutely misplaced there, especially in her white wedding gown, hilarious!!!!
The film, just as the book, is offering all kinds of racist clichés that totally embarassed me while watching the movie in the cinema.
Especially the way Carola got rid of her white boyfriend was an absolute No-Go for me.
The only thing I liked about the whole movie/story was the male actor.
Nice guy, kinda cute, too. 
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15.02.2010 15:06 |
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Minou
Dabei seit: 13.03.2009
Beiträge: 517
Herkunft: Oesterreich
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First Carola wanted to be one of „THEM“, later she had enough work by saving the last remainings of herself.
Mistake?
No mistake. She made a step out of an unloved narrow situation into the UNKNOWN and that means risks. Came out as somebody who knows what she wants and what not. Is there a loser? – No.
On both sites:
Just „learning about >how things are and what can be changed and what not< by life-experience“…
Helpful film? No. Everybody will think although, he (she) knows better. For this reason life-experience is more helpful. But entertaining film. Especially the music.
Minou
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16.02.2010 06:35 |
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Dietmar
Dabei seit: 24.03.2008
Beiträge: 170
Herkunft: Hannover
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Hi Shako,
I wonder that you only saw this movie recently because this movie is quiet old.
Anyhow I find the white woman from Switzerland very naive. There is more than a cultural gap between them. I agree with you that before you get married you should think what you and your partner want to achieve in your live and what your expectation in your partner is.
I see no way how these two can make their love last forever. Even in a “normal” relationship it is hard to make the love to last forever.
In my case I had luck to find an African partner who shared my views and the cultural differences were not that huge. I think with a “western background” it is very difficult to marry someone (sorry) from a village in Africa.
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16.02.2010 12:42 |
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LaBess
Dabei seit: 08.07.2008
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Some cultural differences are just insurmountable.
(I just remeber one scene in the movie where he forced her to let him drive their "new" car, and then of course he was unable to drive it and hit a tree. And SHE apologized. No, no, no, that movie was just toooo much for me) 
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16.02.2010 16:10 |
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Susann999
Dabei seit: 20.01.2008
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Some cultural differences are just insurmountable.
(I just remeber one scene in the movie where he forced her to let him drive their "new" car, and then of course he was unable to drive it and hit a tree. And SHE apologized. No, no, no, that movie was just toooo much for me)
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I think she did apologize because of screaming at her husband. In Kenya you´ll lose your face if you scream at somebody.
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16.02.2010 16:35 |
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jes
Dabei seit: 13.01.2008
Beiträge: 1.664
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wazungu going Africa
(sorry my english is not so good)
isnt i a common pattern ... many people from the north are going to Africa to fulfill their dreams and ideas without knowing much about african people, language and culture ?
passiert es nicht sehr oft, dass viele Leute aus dem Norden nach Afrika gehen um ihre Träume und Ideen wahr werden zu lassen ohne viel über afrikanische Menschen, deren Sprache und Kultur zu wissen ?
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chi kingi, ist das eine Kritik?
Ich finde nämlich eigentlich, dass in der Kunst alles erlaubt ist (naja, nicht ganz alles
Beleidigungen und Respektlosigkeiten sollte man schon lieber vermeiden, finde ich), im Gegensatz zu z.B. Geschäften. In der Kunst findet zusammen, was nicht zusammen gehört und dann eben doch zusammen kommt. Eine Art Experiment zur Völkerverständigung und der Verständigung von Klassen, Kulturen...
Sorry, in German...
I dont like the white massai, I hate the book, terrible written and the film is beautiful (pictures and acters), but from my point of view it is only a fairy-tale. I think in real it must be a terrible time for both.
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16.02.2010 20:02 |
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ida.lea
Dabei seit: 13.01.2008
Beiträge: 637
Herkunft: Hamburg
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Kann man dieses Thema nicht vielleicht durchgängig schlicht auf deutsch abhandeln?
Der Themenstarter kann dann ja notfalls sein Übersetzungsprogramm einschalten 
LG
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Oder auch: der Verstand sucht, aber das Herz findet (George Sand).
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16.02.2010 20:34 |
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chi kingi
Dabei seit: 29.01.2008
Beiträge: 1.417
Herkunft: Ostsee / Mecklenburg
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wazungu going Africa
(sorry my english is not so good)
isnt i a common pattern ... many people from the north are going to Africa to fulfill their dreams and ideas without knowing much about african people, language and culture ?
passiert es nicht sehr oft, dass viele Leute aus dem Norden nach Afrika gehen um ihre Träume und Ideen wahr werden zu lassen ohne viel über afrikanische Menschen, deren Sprache und Kultur zu wissen ?
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chi kingi, ist das eine Kritik?
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vielleicht ein bischen 
... aber ich will nicht immer meckern - immerhin bringt es ja den Leuten vor Ort Arbeit, eine Schule soll gebaut werden und ansonsten auch Häuser.
Die andere Seite wird auch zufrieden sein und sich ein gutes Gefühl geben.
Aber komissch ist es doch auch ... da kommt der weisse Mann aus dem Norden und sagt ihr braucht unbedingt eine Oper in Afrika
soll er doch lieber ganz viele Afrikaner nach Wien in eine Oper einladen, vielleicht auch zum Opernball 
, dann könne sie doch erstmal feststellen, ob sie es wirklich wollen ?
[weisse Maasai]
habe den Film 2005 mit einer Kenyanerin zusammen gesehen und schon fast wieder vergessen ... es war aber ziemlich lustig ... sie sagte sie wäre die "Schwarze Maasai" und meinte immer ogottogottogott .. weil sie immer die nicht so schönen Seiten Kenyas zeigten.
Andererseits immerhin hat die "Weisse Maasai" es durchgezogen , auch wenn es naiv war ... trotzdem ein bischen bewundernswert. Nicht alle haben so viel Mut und Energie
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16.02.2010 21:19 |
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jes
Dabei seit: 13.01.2008
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Ich fand es auch seltsam von Herrn Schlingensief...dachte, vielleicht braucht er ein Lebensprojekt wegen seiner Erkrankung..mir gefällt wie er die Zusammenarbeit gestaltet. Ja, aber natürlich, wie denken die Menschen vor Ort darüber, wenn sie nix zu futtern haben und da soviel Geld investiert wird.
Andre Haller hatte ja den Zirkus nach Europa geholt, hab ihn leider nicht gesehen, vielleicht musste Herr Sch. das toppen
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17.02.2010 05:41 |
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ingridkenia
Dabei seit: 27.04.2009
Beiträge: 783
Herkunft: Kaernten
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jetzt aber und wo steht diese wunderschoene Oper?????Was spielen sie denn als naechstes???
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17.02.2010 08:40 |
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Tusker
Dabei seit: 26.02.2009
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17.02.2010 09:02 |
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shako
Dabei seit: 15.10.2009
Beiträge: 54
Herkunft: mombasa, kenya
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@ Susann,Ida. Lea
I agree with you someone translate it in german, you may use german language, i will translate and understand it. I find it right if you would all contribute in german language, this is an issue that is taking place. These days it is very common for cross culture relationship so.....lets use german.....do not worry about me.....i will use translator.
@ Dietmar, the movie is old once you watch it, for me i just watched the other day but i had alot about it.
There are people who have wonderful long lasting marriage with africans from village but they have to be educated and you must have some common interests....
@Labesse,----- i agree with you, She was too naive, and very desparete, why do you apologize to a person who almost killed you in car accident, he does not know how to drive but she lets him drive.It was about the man only...and the man realised it and used it to his advantage
@Susann,... apologizing to a person who almost go you killed is not a culture....sometimes it is good to express your anger or feelings even if it offends your partner....dont you think so?
(someone translate this for the others please...please for the good friends.) I am sorry i used english...but it is nice we are talking about issues that affects some of us.
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17.02.2010 12:47 |
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amede
Dabei seit: 13.01.2008
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try to googel the pictures of the people involved.
by the way the film is based on a true story
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17.02.2010 21:14 |
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LaBess
Dabei seit: 08.07.2008
Beiträge: 2.165
Herkunft: irdisch
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Yeah.
True story.
Incredibly true. 
Why, we can keep it in English here, translation programs on the computer are horrible!!!!!
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